Clarification on nominated fandoms

[bridgetmkennitt]

There are some fandoms nominated that, as far as AO3 and FFN numbers are concerned, are Yuletide-sized and not eligible for Not Prime Time. If the nominators could either comment below with additional evidence pointing to the medium size of the fandom or change their nominations to something else, that would be great.

Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Power Rangers Dino Thunder
Power Rangers Ninja Storm
Sweeney Todd - Sondheim/Wheeler
Vampire Chronicles - Anne Rice
Winx Club

For the nominator of Fire Emblem Series, was there a specific game of Fire Emblem you wanted to nominate? It looks like this is like the Final Fantasy series, in that for the most part, each game has a different set of characters.

Comments

[madame_oryx]

oh, i nominated Fire Emblem. :) it was meant to be a nomination for the series in its entirety, since most of the individual games would not be large enough for this exchange on their own (i saw that Harvest Moon had been accepted, so i assumed this was alright). but i can change my nomination if you want?

[thesecondbatgirl]

I nominated Dino Thunder - it was ruled ineligible for Yuletide a few years ago, and that was what I was operating under. (That was the year they let in every season of Power Rangers EXCEPT for Mighty Morphin and Dino Thunder.)

[gehayi]

How do we know if a fandom is eligible or not?

[jetsilver]

I nominated VampChron. It's definately not Yuletide sized - what it is is underground because its creator has a history of threatening to sue, and harasssing creators and archivists of fanworks. The major archive was most recently on adultfanfiction.net but that's been gone awhile. It got kicked off ff.net years ago.

Fanlore.

Yahoo answer on this.

LJ community, defunct.

It might qualify for Yuletide on grounds of no new material for a long time, though.

[bridgetmkennitt]

I just wanted to make sure you were okay with the entirety of the series. I'll talk it over with Jenn and I'll reply back by tomorrow so you can keep the nomination in place for now. :)

[bridgetmkennitt]

The requirements for Yuletide has changed a bit year after year, and they've updated their ineligibility list with each round. I just looked up 2011 and 2012's ineligibility list, and while incomplete, doesn't mention the other Power Ranger shows beyond Mighty Morphin.

[bridgetmkennitt]

From our FAQ:
Our guidelines for a medium sized fandom is a) a fandom that isn't listed on the current Yuletide nominations list and b) isn't a fandom with over 20,000 fics available. Anything else is a judgement call between the moderators.

RPF is allowed within Not Prime Time and is an exception to the requirement of “a fandom that isn’t listed on the current Yuletide nominations list” though we ask that participants keep to the spirit of the exchange and do not nominate/request very rare RPF. It is still held to the megafandoms requirement, however.

Generally, if a fandom has over 1000 stories that are complete, written in English, and over 1000 words on fanfiction.net or over 200 stories that are complete, written in English, and over 1000 words on AO3 or has its own fandom-specific archive of more than 500 stories, it is eligible for Not Prime Time.

Remember that even if a fandom has, potentially, 5000 fics on fanfiction.net at first glance, check off on "completed," "English," and "over 1000 words" to see the results. The numbers may drop below 1000 and the fandom may be Yuletide eligible.

A new ruling for 2013 is that movie fandoms with over 1000 stories on fanfiction.net and/or over 100 stories on AO3 will be considered medium sized fandoms, as long as they are not considered megafandoms. The reason for this is movie fandoms tend to have a shorter lifespan than other fandoms because of its smaller canon so we're adjusting for that. Many movie fandoms will overlap in eligibility with Yuletide and we are aware of that.

[sirvalkyrie]

As I said in the other comment Winx Club does have over 1000 fics if you change the ratings selection to all. Otherwise it just counts the fics up to the Teen rating.

[bridgetmkennitt]

I'll discuss this with Jenn, but if the major archive is gone, I cannot count those deleted fics as part of the fandom total.

[bridgetmkennitt]

Thank you. :)

[madame_oryx]

ah, okay! thanks much c:

[hagar_972]

I nominated Power Rangers Ninja Storm. It has >200 works and wasn't on the Yuletide lists. (I didn't nominate DT, but the same applies to it: over 200 works, not on the Yuletide lists.)

Edit. Work counts on AO3 - ff.net doesn't distinguish by season.

[bridgetmkennitt]

Because Power Rangers Ninja Storm is not a RPF or movie fandom, it follows the normal Yuletide requirements in that (for us, instead of a combo) it needs to either have over 200 works on AO3 that have over 1000 words or 1000 works on FFN that is "completed, English, >1000 words." It doesn't have that on AO3 and on FFN, with those requirements on (and World set to Ninja Storm), the total comes up to 132. When I set the World to Dino Thunder, the total comes up to 158.

[bridgetmkennitt]

I discussed it with Jenn and we're approving your fandom nomination. :)

[bridgetmkennitt]

I discussed it with Jenn and we decided that this fandom is not eligible for Not Prime Time.

[hagar_972]

Workaround: I just nominated Power Rangers as a whole. Because that? Qualifies.

(Do note that it's not going to let you nominate chars you'd nominated for DT even if you erased that nomination because they'd been nominated in another fandom even that's been already erased. Ugh. But there are workarounds; we now have a char tag for the Winds and there can be a char tag for the Dinos, or the Dino core three.)

[bridgetmkennitt]

Jenn and I are going to go with a judgment call and not approve Power Rangers for Not Prime Time. We feel that this nomination is a obvious attempt to nominate a fandom we've already said was ineligible. Mighty Morphin Power Rangers was deemed eligible for our exchange and Ninja Storm and Dino Thunder are eligible for Yuletide. Thank you

[madame_oryx]

that's great to hear~
thanks again!

[jetsilver]

No problem, nomination changed.